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Psychedelic Love, Surviving Burning Man | Julie Megler & Larry Norris – EN25

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Larry Norris is the founder and executive director of ERIE (Entheogenic Research, Integration, and Education).  ERIE is a group dedicated to entheogenic research and the development of integration tools, as well as bringing diverse entheogenic speakers, practitioners, and researchers to share their wisdom with the San Francisco/Bay Area communiy.  This summer Larry taught Entheogenic Education, a graduate level course at the California Institute of Integral Studies.  The goal of this course was to discuss the concept of entheogens as educational tools and teachers.  A dedicated activist and a proponent of cognitive liberty, Larry’s efforts emphasize entheogens potentially transformative value given the right set and setting.

Julie D. Megler is a board certified family medicine and psychiatric nurse practitioner.  Professionally she strives to integrate the mind/body connection and health care.  Julie has a private practice in the San Francisco/Bay Area, offering mental health services and integration of non-ordinary states of consciousness.  She is also on the board of directors for ERIE non profit.  Julie has presented at Detroit’s First Entheogenic Conference, Psychedelic Science, and The Women’s Visionary Congress.  In addition she has co-authored chapters in the books Manifesting Minds and The Therapeutic Uses of Ayahuasca.

In this episode, they will share their tips on how couples can optimize their visionary experiences, while staying healthy, playful, and deeply connected even in extreme conditions.

You will hear about:

  • [06:04] How Larry and Julie were brought together by their visionary experiences
  • [08:15] Their best advise on how to maintain a harmonious and impactful relationship in a visionary setting
  • [11:18] Their first visionary experience as a couple
  • [14:45] How to hold a sacrosanct container for a relationship in the midst of entheogenic journeys
  • [18:44] How types of entheogenic medicines apply in relationships
  • [28:00] The Burning Man experience and its challenges to couples
  • [33:15] How couples can get over the Burning Man hangover
  • [37:21] Responsibilities of visionary couples in the community
  • [39:25] How couples can support each other on integration and get back into the rhythm of the “real world”

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About the author, Lorna

Lorna Liana is a new media strategist and lifestyle business coach to visionary entrepreneurs. She travels the world while running her business as a digital nomad. Lorna's boutique agency provides “done for you” web design, development and online marketing services for social ventures, sustainable brands, transformational coaches and new paradigm thought leaders. She is also a personal development junkie, and 20 year practitioner of shamanism, with extensive training in Tibetan Bon Shamanism and the ayahuasca traditions of the Amazon Basin.

A self-professed ayahuasca snob and perennial ayahuasca tourist, Lorna has been drinking ayahuasca since 2004. She's been in approximately 150 ayahuasca ceremonies (from terrible to fantastic), and tasted wide variety of ayahuasca brews (from awful to exquisite).

Her ayahuasca experience spans 30+ different shamans and facilitators, 7 indigenous tribes, several Brazilian churches, and a host of neo-shamanic circles, in Peru, Ecuador, Brazil, Europe, the US, and Asia.

Through this widely-varied background, she hopes to shed some perspective on the globalization of ayahuasca.

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